Now that I am slightly more educated in the whole system, I can confidently say that it sucks. It is such a horrible tool overall. Besides the fact that most savings accounts cannot even keep with half the rate of inflation, we're constantly being fed really high interest to borrow. Am I the only one that has an issue with the bank paying us 0.8% interest to hold onto our money, while they loan it for over 18%?
Looking for alternatives doesn't yield a lot of hope either. I have mid term (EF, car fund, >12mo) and short term savings (Vacation, Christmas, <12mo). I eventually want to have long term savings, of course, like a house down payment, but I'm not ready for that yet. The problem with short- or mid-term savings is that you need to keep them relatively accessible, liquid cash, which rules out most long-term CDs that may offer a slightly better rate, but penalties for withdrawal.
I have my ING/CapitalOne360 savings account which hold the shortest-term or in-transit funds, like month-end payments or things like my phone fund. The interest yield has came down to 0.75%. My other savings are in an Ally account, which has come to 0.84%. This is quite a depressing state of affairs!
So, where do you have your savings? Do you keep them anywhere? Have you looked or considered at bonds or CDs?
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We keep our money in just the regular bank but I don't really count on making any money off of it (I think, last year we earned $2!). It's exactly just "keeping". There are better but more high-risk opportunities to invest but we just don't make enough at the moment to risk it.
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If you really want to earn more than .84%, buy government bonds, like savings bonds, e-bonds, etc. You buy them directly from the federal govt and simply have to hold them for 6 months in order to sell. You'll earn around 1.5% last time I looked.
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Well, I only have 8k in student loans, not 30k (thank goodness!). I have charge cards that I don't care what their interest rate is because they do not carry a balance that would accrue interest. My IRA has a very low management fee of .18%, but it's still fairly small... all of my 401k funds are also low in fees, but I can't control that. You do mention a possible 155k in fees, but what was the return? Too many variables missing.
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#2 - TFSA (Tax Free Savings Account) We've already paid the taxes on this... this holds our long term savings which is just under $3K and i'm trying to build up.
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ReplyDeleteYeah... not sure what's up with CDs yielding less than some savings accounts (like Ally's!). Even if it's a few dollars, wish they'd do more.
DeleteOk, where to start? The only "banks" that I know that are lending money at 18% are credit cards. Most banks are lending money for around 4%, give or take. After taking into consideration their risk, cost to service the loans, and overhead, its not like they're making a killing.
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I think its wonderful that the low rates have made it so that people can now afford houses and are being employed in greater numbers.
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I don't have enough money to start worrying about interest rates on savings accounts and all that yet but the day is coming when I'll be able to send more money to savings rather than paying off debt so I have been thinking about it more recently. And, yes, it's kind of depressing. At the moment my plan is to have 3.5k in my Irish bank account - it's a current account so I won't earn any interest but having a 3k balance at all times saves nearly 50 euro a year in fees, which isn't a lot less than I'd earn on interest in an easily accessible account anyway. Then I want to build up a 2k positive balance on my German mastercard - that will only earn interest at the ECB rate minus 0.3% but having a plus balance means paying no interest on the amounts I may use the card for. And having both of these amounts always easily available will make up a pretty good emergency fund. Apart from that I have a couple of savings accounts which I use just for parking money until bills come in (annual insurances for example) or money for holidays and since that's (a) not a lot of money and (b) never going to stay put for a long time.
ReplyDeleteIf I ever manage to get that much saved then the next then will be a deposit for my own place but I have a while before I really need to be thinking about that yet. A blogging friend has completely lost faith in traditional banking systems in the last year or so and now holds most of his money in gold/silver and peer-to-peer lending. The p2p lending is kind of intersting and something I probably will consider when I have money. Here's one short post he did recently: http://www.ecopunk.org.uk/2013/05/what-i-said-to-friend.html
I also don't have enough money to worry about interest rates.. I have a small savings account which I add to each month. It's a lot but it's something and don't laugh, I have a coffee can savings at home.. LOL I think I still believe in the old "Stick it under the mattress" idea..LOL
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